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hey

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machine

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last off on another episode of hero

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paranormal podcast that's right my name

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is ryan the original

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outlaw of the airwaves bringing you

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another vip episode

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just south of area 51 at the base of la

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madre mountain is where we're bringing

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it from

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and i'll tell you what the guest today

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is somebody who i have wanted to have on

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for over a year

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he is somebody in the know who seems to

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know mostly about everything and

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not only that he's a super nice guy i'm

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just gonna call him t

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for now if we're able to share his name

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during the podcast i definitely will

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i know that he has some important

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clearances that he may or may not be

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able to break

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so we're going to keep it real and

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respect anything that he can't talk

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about

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with that being said i'm going to try to

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take it there wherever

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on and everywhere anywhere that he has

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any information i'm gonna try to

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itch and scratch and try to figure out

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what he does know because he is such a

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fascinating individual with such

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a breadth of knowledge about everything

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high strange and paranormal

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and uh does a lot of contract work as

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well for the us government so

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i want to thank him for his service uh

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speaking of thanking people

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thank you to the patrons who have gone

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uh here you can go to hero paranormal on

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so thanks for the new listeners over

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there

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it's tough to do this stuff you know

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with kids and and

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it you know you guys all know how it is

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scraping away a little time to do your

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passions well this is what it is

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and i appreciate those who help me do it

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so without further ado

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t welcome to the hero paranormal podcast

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my man how you been

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it's been a long time it has it's been a

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really long time

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so how are you you know i can't complain

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life is good given the fact of every

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all the weirdness that has taken place

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since since we saw each other last my

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gosh the world has been flipped on its

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i know it's just insanity and then

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you know i after i

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was down in um in roosevelt

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with you the last time you know i went

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to work for the back to work for the

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government so

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oh that's cool i that's what i heard

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that you went to nevada i think it was

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nevada i couldn't i can't remember

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you don't have to say and i want to ask

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you too

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how do you want me to um you want me to

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call you just terrance or just

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mr t or how would you like me to call

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you call me

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yeah call me parents okay great fine

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at my age i don't i don't care anymore

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you know about anything so you've been

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you've been in the game a long time and

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i have man so many questions to ask you

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and yeah last time we saw each other was

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in the uinta basin

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and we did encounter i guess some high

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strangeness do you want to talk about

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well if you're talking about the uh

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when we went to the uh elders place and

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i got kind of got pushed down

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i guess you would call it you know

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because i was probably taking photos of

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something i shouldn't have been

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anyway that was a wild experience it you

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even though i wasn't pushed down or

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thrown or anything i could feel

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the energy in that that area it's just

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so wild up there in the uinta basin

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the energy was amazing and and

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you know it just blew me away and it it

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after that you know and um

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um yeah it was definitely high

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but that area you know i've been going

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down there since been going over there

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1990 and the things that

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have happened there that just blow me

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year ago last christmas eve

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god bless him yep remember him well he

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and i twice

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saw a really strange craft

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because she was a non-believer he just

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figured it was something different you

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different things because we used to go

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go out and sit out there and

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go exploring and do different things go

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encounter at your place um

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we saw we saw this strange i guess you

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would call it a craft it was basically

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but what was strange about it it had a

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couple of green lights

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bright red light in a red color that

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it just was intense when you tried to

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and focus on it it was like somebody was

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and we were probably a quarter mile away

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of that and i've never seen anything

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like it before or

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since but uh it was pretty interesting

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when you looked at it it just you know

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that's probably the most the strangest

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encounter i've ever had down there

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all the other things pale in comparison

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you know those those green and red

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lights they have been witnessed

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uh red and blue or red and green however

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you know it's it's really like you said

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though they kind of it's like a hologram

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almost the way they can fade out it

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yeah and it did it just when it was

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and then it just poof it was gone

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and at first the first time we saw it

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dan thought it was a helicopter because

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the helicopter

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sometimes would fly over to the medical

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and being around helicopters forever

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you know it definitely wasn't a

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helicopter because it was a home there

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and we were close enough if it was a if

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you definitely would hear it you know

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even the military helicopters that are

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stealth

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that don't have much noise behind them

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because they use those special blades

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which i've had experience with

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you can still hear them because they

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make a wishing sound

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but this was just a constant hum and a

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vibration

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it was i don't know i i it's just

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difficult to explain

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so cool though and but you're not you

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know the nice thing is you're not the

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only one and that's

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what's neat about that it's it's it's

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really cool

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well i remember going to we went to uh

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marian's and roosevelt

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if you know where that is for breakfast

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they said that they saw the same thing

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experience there's

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other areas too and i want to get into

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the felt blades that you mentioned

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too before i forget but there's other

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areas where they feel this stuff too and

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they usually think there's portals and

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stuff like that

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have you had any experience in any any

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like other areas where you've had

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you know where this type of stuff is

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seem you know

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to takes place well

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you can see you can experience that

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anywhere in the basin as you well know i

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mean anywhere along the ridge

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in walker ridge you know

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it's isolated you know there's an

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isolated point of skin walker but

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that entire area is

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my main experiences that i've had

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haven't been around the ranch as much as

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it's been

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just in different areas um

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so you see them all over the

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the most experiences i've had with

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things like that though has been in the

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west utah desert

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if that's what you're referring to so it

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kind of was

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yeah that's kind of where i was going

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with that you you kind of since

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i lived there lived right next to the

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in dugway for 35 years

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and uh contracted with a couple of uh

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companies that did communications out

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um yeah i've had some really strange

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experiences out there even

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crazier than that crafted down and i saw

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and my wife was with me on two occasions

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where we had experiences with orbs

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um and of course

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you've got a picture of what appears to

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orb in the back of your place

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right right yeah something like that

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but uh yeah there's uh

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there's definitely high strangeness out

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there i'll tell you

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you know you've i've i've seen um

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running the craft on the ground

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being out on the range when they

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shouldn't have been

287
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and uh if you've ever been out there

288
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there's these mounds

289
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you know there's just a standard thing

290
00:11:46,630 --> 00:11:42,560
that you run into in the desert

291
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and i'll go back to the very first

292
00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:50,480
one that really got to me and it was

293
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part of a thing called project bluebeam

294
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that the university of utah was

295
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working out working on out on the range

296
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and

297
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we were just out cruising around man a

298
00:12:13,190 --> 00:12:08,959
friend of mine

299
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and in the one section out there on the

300
00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:16,959
on the range you uh

301
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went around the corner because we could

302
00:12:24,310 --> 00:12:20,880
see a glow behind one of the

303
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one of the hills went around the corner

304
00:12:26,629 --> 00:12:24,720
and

305
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there was all these guys out there with

306
00:12:31,350 --> 00:12:27,920
equipment and

307
00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:31,360
setting things up but there was also a

308
00:12:37,509 --> 00:12:32,720
craft off into the

309
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distance part of plot project bluebeam

310
00:12:41,269 --> 00:12:39,920
but it was just a glowing fiery horn

311
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kind of saucy shape

312
00:12:45,190 --> 00:12:43,839
but round on the edges and just kind of

313
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uh

314
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it was pretty strange and you could feel

315
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it

316
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that was probably a half a mile

317
00:12:58,230 --> 00:12:56,320
away wow but uh

318
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if you've spent any time at all out

319
00:13:02,790 --> 00:13:00,000
there

320
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you've definitely run into things off

321
00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:03,839
and on i'm

322
00:13:09,590 --> 00:13:07,440
used to going to salt lake and

323
00:13:10,550 --> 00:13:09,600
work with a model railroad club on

324
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weekends and

325
00:13:14,310 --> 00:13:12,800
coming back and come back really late at

326
00:13:17,110 --> 00:13:14,320
night i'd leave it at 12

327
00:13:18,829 --> 00:13:17,120
1 o'clock in the morning and drive back

328
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to

329
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wendover and

330
00:13:25,269 --> 00:13:23,680
i would get this urge to stop at the

331
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eagle range

332
00:13:30,069 --> 00:13:28,000
exit which is actually called grassy

333
00:13:33,269 --> 00:13:30,079
knolls by

334
00:13:36,069 --> 00:13:33,279
state highway department but

335
00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:36,079
a uh of times there you would i would

336
00:13:41,189 --> 00:13:39,440
stop pull off go on a dirt road

337
00:13:42,629 --> 00:13:41,199
just to take a little break and get out

338
00:13:45,269 --> 00:13:42,639
and look at the stars to

339
00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:45,279
do that i like to do that often love

340
00:13:48,310 --> 00:13:46,320
that and

341
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you would feel all of the hair on your

342
00:13:52,310 --> 00:13:49,519
arms would start

343
00:13:53,829 --> 00:13:52,320
your hair and everything would start to

344
00:13:56,710 --> 00:13:53,839
stand up

345
00:13:59,910 --> 00:13:56,720
and the whole all the mountains around

346
00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:01,829
you couldn't see anything but you could

347
00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:04,240
feel it the energy would just vibrate

348
00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:05,760
through your body

349
00:14:14,949 --> 00:14:13,030
and the light would be kind of

350
00:14:16,550 --> 00:14:14,959
like a moonlight but there's no moon in

351
00:14:16,870 --> 00:14:16,560
the sky and it would just kind of things

352
00:14:21,990 --> 00:14:16,880
would

353
00:14:24,870 --> 00:14:22,000
light up and and the way you go

354
00:14:27,829 --> 00:14:24,880
and you you it was enough to kind of

355
00:14:30,069 --> 00:14:27,839
instill a little bit of fear in you so

356
00:14:31,910 --> 00:14:30,079
i used to just be worried that i was

357
00:14:33,110 --> 00:14:31,920
gonna be abducted or something and would

358
00:14:36,230 --> 00:14:33,120
just get in my car and

359
00:14:38,389 --> 00:14:36,240
get that cattle and it's so

360
00:14:40,150 --> 00:14:38,399
desolate out there like you said it it

361
00:14:43,110 --> 00:14:40,160
doesn't take oh it is yeah

362
00:14:44,470 --> 00:14:43,120
yeah well in the old days you know they

363
00:14:48,870 --> 00:14:44,480
used to have uh

364
00:14:51,189 --> 00:14:48,880
air force used to go up and down i-15

365
00:14:52,150 --> 00:14:51,199
with their lights flashing to make sure

366
00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:52,160
nobody got off

367
00:14:57,269 --> 00:14:55,760
off the exits at knolls and dragonite

368
00:15:02,310 --> 00:14:57,279
and

369
00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:02,320
dugway

370
00:15:09,269 --> 00:15:05,920
and they would block off the exits

371
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,279
and the on-ramps and guard the area

372
00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:10,959
whenever they were doing something out

373
00:15:14,949 --> 00:15:11,920
there

374
00:15:17,990 --> 00:15:14,959
you would see things like like a

375
00:15:18,949 --> 00:15:18,000
blue laser light that would just shoot

376
00:15:21,110 --> 00:15:18,959
up straight up to

377
00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:21,120
clouds things like that you'd see stuff

378
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:22,480
like that all the time

379
00:15:28,949 --> 00:15:26,160
wow but um and

380
00:15:30,710 --> 00:15:28,959
most people they just they don't pay

381
00:15:31,269 --> 00:15:30,720
attention to things so they never see

382
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:31,279
that

383
00:15:34,629 --> 00:15:33,040
you know when you tell people well did

384
00:15:36,069 --> 00:15:34,639
you see that the other night you just

385
00:15:40,150 --> 00:15:36,079
think you're nuts but

386
00:15:43,430 --> 00:15:40,160
right i've just always been observant so

387
00:15:45,110 --> 00:15:43,440
but the strangest thing i think i ran

388
00:15:48,710 --> 00:15:45,120
into out on the west desert

389
00:15:50,150 --> 00:15:48,720
and i kind of tie it to a little known

390
00:15:54,069 --> 00:15:50,160
project

391
00:15:58,150 --> 00:15:54,079
they give me no

392
00:16:02,389 --> 00:15:58,160
gay hanger out there with dr robert goku

393
00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:02,399
when and the official

394
00:16:05,590 --> 00:16:04,240
thing that they say and it was a right

395
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:05,600
path

396
00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:07,680
like patterson air force base uh

397
00:16:12,629 --> 00:16:10,320
sponsored project

398
00:16:14,710 --> 00:16:12,639
through their uh foreign technologies

399
00:16:17,910 --> 00:16:14,720
division

400
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:17,920
and i used to go down and help him out a

401
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:19,440
little bit that was the first time i'd

402
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:22,000
gone to that area

403
00:16:28,790 --> 00:16:25,040
and he was working on a plasma

404
00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:28,800
project not not the ball lightning that

405
00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:31,040
that's officially listed as what what

406
00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:34,160
the tesla project was about

407
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:37,600
and uh years later

408
00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:41,279
this goes back to 2013

409
00:16:46,310 --> 00:16:44,320
my wife and i we used to go out drive

410
00:16:48,629 --> 00:16:46,320
out on old highway 40 go across the

411
00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:48,639
tracks and go out on the range because

412
00:16:53,350 --> 00:16:50,800
on day so it'd be just a nice little

413
00:16:56,870 --> 00:16:53,360
walk out there

414
00:16:58,230 --> 00:16:56,880
uh one time we were out there the first

415
00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:58,240
time

416
00:17:02,870 --> 00:17:01,199
my wife i was paying attention to

417
00:17:04,789 --> 00:17:02,880
something else and my wife says what the

418
00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:04,799
heck is this

419
00:17:11,909 --> 00:17:08,720
i turn around and here come two plasma

420
00:17:15,590 --> 00:17:11,919
yes orbs i call them plasma balls

421
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:15,600
everybody else calls them orbs but

422
00:17:18,789 --> 00:17:17,439
they come streaming across the desert

423
00:17:22,789 --> 00:17:18,799
about six

424
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:22,799
eight feet off the ground it's gorgeous

425
00:17:27,270 --> 00:17:24,959
when we first she first spotted them and

426
00:17:29,350 --> 00:17:27,280
they were quite a distance away

427
00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:29,360
they came up to about 10 feet in front

428
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:35,110
two of them they're larger than about

429
00:17:40,390 --> 00:17:37,679
double the size of a basketball

430
00:17:41,830 --> 00:17:40,400
and they you when you look at it it's a

431
00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:41,840
purplish

432
00:17:48,549 --> 00:17:45,200
it's plasma if you've ever seen

433
00:17:49,669 --> 00:17:48,559
plasma generated in a vacuum that's what

434
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:49,679
they look like

435
00:18:00,070 --> 00:17:55,909
anyway the day we were out there that

436
00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:00,080
time it was lunch time

437
00:18:04,230 --> 00:18:02,480
my wife she was just in awe she was just

438
00:18:05,270 --> 00:18:04,240
going what the what are these what are

439
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:05,280
these and i

440
00:18:09,669 --> 00:18:08,400
i didn't say anything but they just sat

441
00:18:12,870 --> 00:18:09,679
there

442
00:18:14,150 --> 00:18:12,880
and the next thing i remember is they

443
00:18:15,990 --> 00:18:14,160
shot up about

444
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:16,000
20 feet in the air and then took off to

445
00:18:18,870 --> 00:18:17,280
the south

446
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:18,880
they came from the east when they

447
00:18:24,710 --> 00:18:21,120
approached us

448
00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:24,720
and what i remember most is on the drive

449
00:18:27,110 --> 00:18:25,280
home

450
00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:27,120
we had gone out there at lunch time and

451
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:30,559
on the drive home the sun was going down

452
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:34,160
so there was a period of a relaxed

453
00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:36,799
time that went from about one o'clock in

454
00:18:39,909 --> 00:18:37,760
the afternoon

455
00:18:41,350 --> 00:18:39,919
and this was summertime so the sun went

456
00:18:45,110 --> 00:18:41,360
down at about

457
00:18:47,990 --> 00:18:45,120
nine o'clock at night whoa

458
00:18:48,789 --> 00:18:48,000
and uh driving home my wife was in a

459
00:18:51,029 --> 00:18:48,799
daze

460
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:51,039
and i kept asking her what how she felt

461
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:52,720
she didn't respond to me at

462
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,880
all and when we got home

463
00:19:01,990 --> 00:18:59,200
you know i started talking to her about

464
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:02,000
it she couldn't remember

465
00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:05,440
what happens the the two alarms

466
00:19:07,990 --> 00:19:06,880
approaching us at all she didn't

467
00:19:10,070 --> 00:19:08,000
remember it

468
00:19:11,350 --> 00:19:10,080
she just thought that we'd just driven

469
00:19:13,830 --> 00:19:11,360
out there and she didn't even know we

470
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:13,840
gotta have a call

471
00:19:17,430 --> 00:19:17,120
but i distinctly remember that the two

472
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:17,440
of

473
00:19:25,270 --> 00:19:22,400
and going up into the air

474
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,280
and taking off at a high rate of speed

475
00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:27,200
to the south

476
00:19:33,110 --> 00:19:30,640
and it dawned on me later that

477
00:19:36,470 --> 00:19:33,120
hey you know there's a lapse of time

478
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:36,480
from when we went out there at lunchtime

479
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:39,840
to when we got home it had been about

480
00:19:46,549 --> 00:19:43,280
four or five six hours holy

481
00:19:48,549 --> 00:19:46,559
between the time that i remember

482
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:48,559
seeing those two orbs in front of us and

483
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:49,600
then

484
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:51,919
it's orbs going up and shooting off to

485
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:53,919
the south and then driving home the sun

486
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:54,640
was

487
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,919
just above the mountains to the west

488
00:20:02,230 --> 00:19:59,840
so we definitely lost some time and the

489
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:02,240
second time that that happened to us

490
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:05,360
was about the same location

491
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:08,480
and um

492
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:15,190
i'm giving away a little getting trouble

493
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,440
trespassing but i was actually on the

494
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:19,120
railroad tracks

495
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:22,159
okay and i'd climb i'd climbed up

496
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,029
for the rail of the railroad signal

497
00:20:35,190 --> 00:20:33,679
and was coming down and my wife again

498
00:20:37,669 --> 00:20:35,200
she said look

499
00:20:40,310 --> 00:20:37,679
she was yelling at me and i went over to

500
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,320
where she was out on the

501
00:20:46,950 --> 00:20:43,600
desert there about

502
00:20:48,870 --> 00:20:46,960
just 100 yards from railroad tracks

503
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:48,880
and she had spotted them way off and

504
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,039
they were two small little dots at that

505
00:20:55,750 --> 00:20:53,840
time and they came up to us again

506
00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:55,760
and it was this almost the same

507
00:21:01,830 --> 00:20:58,400
experience all over again

508
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,840
only that time it wasn't it was only a

509
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,159
couple of hours

510
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,880
probably and but the same thing happened

511
00:21:09,909 --> 00:21:07,919
to her

512
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:09,919
when we got home she could she could

513
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,600
remember the orbs

514
00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:12,880
coming up to her but she couldn't

515
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:15,840
remember anything pasta

516
00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:17,679
remember getting in the car and driving

517
00:21:22,470 --> 00:21:18,960
home

518
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:22,480
man wild plasma projects

519
00:21:25,750 --> 00:21:24,320
foreign technology division tesla

520
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:25,760
project this is wild

521
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:27,520
and then when you said knolls and

522
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:29,280
aragonite i always say that wrong

523
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:30,320
aragonite

524
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:34,720
that that area is wild oh yeah

525
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:36,400
there's a lot of things that if you know

526
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:38,080
any of the people that have worked out

527
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:39,919
there when they put those facilities

528
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:43,280
in it's it's kind of a

529
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,919
strange thing and the guy who started it

530
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:47,039
all was a

531
00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,000
guy named seminani who built it for uh

532
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:55,200
for a toxic waste dump

533
00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,360
and then union pacific court built a

534
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:01,760
fern plant there that never really was a

535
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:04,000
burn plant

536
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:08,960
at uh just uh east of knolls there

537
00:22:15,590 --> 00:22:12,559
but it's also the it's also the northern

538
00:22:17,590 --> 00:22:15,600
gateway into dugway

539
00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:17,600
so if you go out there you're usually

540
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,760
met with security people and they won't

541
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:21,280
let you drive any further out on the

542
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:22,880
road

543
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:26,720
uh it's kind of like area 51.

544
00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:29,440
if you've ever been to that gate there's

545
00:22:34,390 --> 00:22:30,320
always

546
00:22:36,470 --> 00:22:34,400
somebody shows up and turns you away

547
00:22:39,270 --> 00:22:36,480
you're so right about that gosh it's

548
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,280
like in immediate force

549
00:22:42,789 --> 00:22:41,520
but uh it's been when they first started

550
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,799
building that facility

551
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:44,480
we used to drive out there because

552
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:46,400
there's a

553
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,760
couple of dirt roads the security used

554
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:51,440
to be pretty lacks out there and you

555
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:53,360
could drive around on the range and not

556
00:22:58,549 --> 00:22:54,000
get in trouble

557
00:23:02,230 --> 00:22:58,559
in fact i used to go out there and get

558
00:23:03,350 --> 00:23:02,240
you know all the military artifacts and

559
00:23:05,990 --> 00:23:03,360
everything from

560
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:06,000
from tests you know you'd find them

561
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:07,360
laying on the ground and

562
00:23:13,669 --> 00:23:10,799
i'd collected them and dragged them home

563
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,679
even got a test bomb for the enola gay

564
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,360
at one time

565
00:23:21,990 --> 00:23:18,640
and we drug it into wendover and

566
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:22,000
i had pork douglas on my back over

567
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,919
that one he thought it was a live

568
00:23:28,549 --> 00:23:25,919
ordinance but uh

569
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:28,559
that's another story for another time

570
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,919
yeah

571
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,600
if you don't mind me going back i wanted

572
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,600
to get back to that cool laser that you

573
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:35,440
said people see going up and down i just

574
00:23:38,950 --> 00:23:36,720
had to mention this

575
00:23:40,950 --> 00:23:38,960
you probably know dave rosenfelder some

576
00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:40,960
some of our listeners might but

577
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:43,360
he got a picture of something similar to

578
00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:44,480
that so i mean again

579
00:23:48,950 --> 00:23:46,240
something that more than one person said

580
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,960
yeah you could see it from wandover if

581
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:50,320
you were

582
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,559
i used to go at nighttime watch the

583
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:54,240
sunset

584
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,159
and a couple of hours later you know you

585
00:23:59,350 --> 00:23:57,919
would sit there and all of a sudden bang

586
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:59,360
this thing would just shoot up through

587
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:02,400
the clouds and it was extremely bright

588
00:24:07,269 --> 00:24:05,440
i get like yeah just working around that

589
00:24:09,190 --> 00:24:07,279
technology

590
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:09,200
with the tesla project and a few other

591
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:12,880
things it definitely wasn't the laser

592
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:16,880
um and i really don't know what it is i

593
00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:19,600
can only speculate

594
00:24:24,630 --> 00:24:22,720
but uh you used to see adam

595
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,640
for a period of time quite you know

596
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,480
quite a bit

597
00:24:29,430 --> 00:24:28,000
you know where you'd just be sitting

598
00:24:31,350 --> 00:24:29,440
there and all of a sudden dang this

599
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,360
thing would just shoot up off the desert

600
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:33,039
floor

601
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:37,440
um and uh

602
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:40,960
yeah i i know who dave is but

603
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,360
you know just by people telling me who

604
00:24:46,070 --> 00:24:45,120
he is but i've never met him or talked

605
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,080
to him or

606
00:24:49,269 --> 00:24:48,080
i really don't know much about what he

607
00:24:51,190 --> 00:24:49,279
does but

608
00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:51,200
yeah he's out there quite a bit well you

609
00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:53,200
know on the outsides the outskirts

610
00:24:56,950 --> 00:24:54,559
a lot of the areas you're mentioning

611
00:24:58,390 --> 00:24:56,960
knolls and i wanted to ask you about the

612
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,400
round edges on

613
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,799
like ufos that you have seen do they

614
00:25:03,990 --> 00:25:01,840
ever look like

615
00:25:06,310 --> 00:25:04,000
you know like the lazar ufo is that what

616
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:06,320
kind of or is it different

617
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:09,279
no no no well i've seen similar ones to

618
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:09,600
the

619
00:25:14,870 --> 00:25:12,960
lasaru ufo i mean we used to go

620
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:14,880
when i lived in vegas and worked down

621
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,039
vegas we used to go up

622
00:25:20,630 --> 00:25:20,240
before i even knew who lazar was or knew

623
00:25:23,590 --> 00:25:20,640
what

624
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:23,600
was going on they got tips from people

625
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,960
we would go up and

626
00:25:28,789 --> 00:25:26,799
sit on a certain ridge and you'd watch

627
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:28,799
the lights

628
00:25:34,230 --> 00:25:32,400
and i love it so you'd watch the

629
00:25:36,630 --> 00:25:34,240
crap go and every once in a while you'd

630
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:36,640
get one that would buzz you

631
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,919
i figured those were just something that

632
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:42,480
we were experimenting with

633
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:46,320
our government and

634
00:25:52,230 --> 00:25:50,480
those were similar to this lazar ufo

635
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:52,240
but the ones that i've seen out on the

636
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:55,279
uh west desert

637
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,679
there were a bright orange you couldn't

638
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:58,720
define the

639
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:01,840
edges the bottom part would be

640
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:05,520
kind of like a boomerang

641
00:26:10,630 --> 00:26:08,640
rounded edges then with a little bubble

642
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:10,640
on top of it and you couldn't

643
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:13,039
really tell what was going on with it

644
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:15,039
because they were bright

645
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,559
bright orange it was almost like they

646
00:26:22,390 --> 00:26:18,960
were on fire

647
00:26:30,630 --> 00:26:26,149
that's cool you'd see it long

648
00:26:32,950 --> 00:26:30,640
when i first went out there early 80s

649
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:32,960
and used to go out there's an old

650
00:26:38,070 --> 00:26:34,640
railroad bed that would go out

651
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:38,080
to gold hill and it goes through the

652
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,600
range

653
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:42,400
and every once in a while you would see

654
00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,720
off in the distance you would see

655
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:47,120
crap that were like that that would they

656
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,240
were just lit up

657
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:51,120
you know they were bright they weren't

658
00:26:57,430 --> 00:26:51,679
did you

659
00:27:02,310 --> 00:26:59,750
it's just difficult to explain similar

660
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:02,320
to the plasma balls only

661
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:06,240
a lot larger yeah and probably about

662
00:27:13,190 --> 00:27:10,159
30 40 feet in diameter

663
00:27:16,710 --> 00:27:13,200
12 to 18 feet thick

664
00:27:19,669 --> 00:27:16,720
um would be my estimate

665
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,679
but and then there was just a period of

666
00:27:21,909 --> 00:27:20,000
maybe

667
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:21,919
a couple years where i saw those and

668
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:23,600
then you never

669
00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:27,279
ever saw him again just didn't

670
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,640
ever see him again after that

671
00:27:34,789 --> 00:27:32,880
but the lights you see lights all the

672
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:34,799
time come up off the desert floor

673
00:27:41,110 --> 00:27:38,640
scoot across the and just disappear

674
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:41,120
so cool they go at a high rate of speed

675
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:42,320
shoot off in

676
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:48,080
one direction or another um

677
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:49,840
completely different and just a little

678
00:27:54,710 --> 00:27:52,480
antidote to that

679
00:27:56,070 --> 00:27:54,720
you went you used to go shopping when

680
00:27:58,630 --> 00:27:56,080
you live out in the middle of nowhere

681
00:28:01,269 --> 00:27:58,640
you go shopping in salt lake or

682
00:28:03,269 --> 00:28:01,279
idaho or other places and you usually go

683
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,279
once a week

684
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,279
on the way back we would always be late

685
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:07,360
and always stop at the rest area

686
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:11,679
at uh at aragonite

687
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:16,080
and uh there was about

688
00:28:21,590 --> 00:28:18,880
two three four year period where all the

689
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,600
guys from a flight line

690
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,240
at hill air force base would all be

691
00:28:29,669 --> 00:28:26,559
sitting up on their cars up on the hill

692
00:28:31,510 --> 00:28:29,679
in the parking lot drinking deer

693
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,520
and a couple of times i went up to ask

694
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,559
them what was going on

695
00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:36,480
and that's how i found out they were

696
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,120
from hill air force base

697
00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:41,279
air force guys off the flight line

698
00:28:44,549 --> 00:28:42,880
they'd say well we're just come to look

699
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:44,559
at the fireworks

700
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,240
and look at the lights because you had a

701
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,080
good view out over the

702
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:51,360
segway range right

703
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,159
and these guys would come out there on

704
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,399
on wednesday and thursday nights and sit

705
00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:58,080
out the rest area

706
00:29:02,789 --> 00:28:59,919
to watch what was going on out on the

707
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:06,870
man good view i'm sure

708
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,760
yeah a couple of times we sit sat with

709
00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,279
them and waited for

710
00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,200
things to happen and yeah sure enough

711
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,200
you know you would see lights

712
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:18,320
come up off the desert floor there's a

713
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,320
there's a mountain out there that has a

714
00:29:26,310 --> 00:29:23,200
air base behind it

715
00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:26,320
um just off knolls

716
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:29,440
and um you can see it on google earth

717
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:30,960
we'll even see all kinds of things on

718
00:29:34,630 --> 00:29:32,480
viewers out there a lot of them are

719
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:34,640
blocked out but

720
00:29:41,990 --> 00:29:37,760
um that's the area where the

721
00:29:43,750 --> 00:29:42,000
lights would come from and

722
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:43,760
and then knowing a couple of people that

723
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:45,760
have worked out there they said that the

724
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,640
mountain everything's inside the

725
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:50,640
mountain

726
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:53,679
and they have these big doors

727
00:29:58,789 --> 00:29:56,559
like at later on i think looking at some

728
00:30:02,950 --> 00:29:58,799
of the videos that uh

729
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:02,960
the bob lazar um

730
00:30:06,470 --> 00:30:04,640
said you know that they had these big

731
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,480
hangar doors that would just open up and

732
00:30:11,669 --> 00:30:08,320
look just like a mountain

733
00:30:13,590 --> 00:30:11,679
yep and the guys that i talked to that

734
00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:13,600
work out there

735
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:20,149
they explained that there were two sides

736
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:21,200
two areas

737
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:25,120
in that mountain where the uh

738
00:30:28,389 --> 00:30:26,559
mountain would just open up and then

739
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:28,399
they would bring out the test

740
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:31,440
test craft wow

741
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:34,720
and something so cool is you know this

742
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,240
this idea of like hidden secret bases

743
00:30:41,750 --> 00:30:40,320
has been around a long time you know the

744
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:41,760
the deep underground

745
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:44,240
military bases yeah well if you know the

746
00:30:47,510 --> 00:30:45,440
history

747
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:47,520
of that area you know it's pretty much

748
00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:48,720
one of the largest

749
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:52,640
military installations

750
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:56,640
in the us if not the on the planet

751
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:00,080
so they've been and that was the first

752
00:31:07,350 --> 00:31:04,240
it was part of the manhattan project one

753
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:07,360
i went over airfit air base under the

754
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,240
field

755
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:10,799
it was part of the manhattan project

756
00:31:13,190 --> 00:31:12,399
where they learned how to assemble the

757
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,200
atom bomb

758
00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:15,919
and do all that those buildings those

759
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:18,559
buildings still exist

760
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:22,399
out there on that base and in wendover

761
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,240
and um there were 40 000 people there

762
00:31:31,110 --> 00:31:27,840
during world war ii

763
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:31,120
man on that base and

764
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:35,279
you got greeted on highway 40 by a guard

765
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:38,240
in a guard shack before you could enter

766
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:40,880
town and before you could leave town

767
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:44,240
and if you know the history of that area

768
00:31:48,870 --> 00:31:45,360
they started

769
00:31:52,070 --> 00:31:48,880
digging underground in 1939

770
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:52,080
and they haven't quit today is my

771
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,440
understanding that they still expand and

772
00:32:01,269 --> 00:31:57,039
everything's underground out there on

773
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:01,279
that out there on that range

774
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,509
i've explored a little bit what other

775
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:10,159
people say about it and

776
00:32:14,389 --> 00:32:13,120
i don't think very many people really

777
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:14,399
can tell them

778
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:16,399
what really is out there and what really

779
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:18,640
goes on out there

780
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,480
if you i used to have a pass to drive

781
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:25,440
across the test range to go to a

782
00:32:33,269 --> 00:32:29,279
place called lakeside

783
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:33,279
and we used to shoot rail photography

784
00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:36,559
still do and to get to the tracks where

785
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,240
the uh

786
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,960
causeway comes across from ogden utah to

787
00:32:44,230 --> 00:32:41,760
uh

788
00:32:45,110 --> 00:32:44,240
across the great salt lake there's a

789
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:45,120
pill there

790
00:32:48,310 --> 00:32:46,880
they're for the transcontinental

791
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:48,320
railroad

792
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,559
and it intersects with that in fact um

793
00:32:57,350 --> 00:32:54,320
there's a road that goes up to the

794
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,360
towers that the radio towers and all the

795
00:33:01,509 --> 00:32:59,440
communication towers for

796
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,519
the test range the hill hill air force

797
00:33:05,110 --> 00:33:03,600
base in utah

798
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,120
and you used to be able to drive up

799
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,440
there and watch the uh

800
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,360
boars in the early days and then the

801
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:10,960
f-16s fly in

802
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:15,279
below you and then blast

803
00:33:20,310 --> 00:33:17,200
targets that were that they would haul

804
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,950
so it's a it's an interesting place as

805
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:24,960
far as that goes

806
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:28,240
but um yeah there's

807
00:33:31,669 --> 00:33:30,000
there's roads out there that are well

808
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:31,679
maintained and really

809
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:35,200
you know i would equate it to four lane

810
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:36,240
highway

811
00:33:47,190 --> 00:33:45,430
and it's like you look at the road

812
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:47,200
and you drive on the road you go up to

813
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:48,399
the mountain the whole side of the

814
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:50,000
mountain

815
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,960
all the foliage everything is one color

816
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:55,360
and it's usually kind of a bronze gold

817
00:33:57,750 --> 00:33:56,159
color

818
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,760
and it doesn't really fit with the

819
00:34:00,630 --> 00:33:59,600
terrain but if you look at it from a

820
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:00,640
distance

821
00:34:03,750 --> 00:34:02,240
it just blends in

822
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,760
[Music]

823
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,760
and you don't spend very much time out

824
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:07,919
there trying to explore when you're out

825
00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:09,520
on that

826
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:11,839
range because you look up into the

827
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:13,280
distance and here comes

828
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,800
everybody in the humvees and military

829
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:18,320
vehicles wanting to know what the heck

830
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:19,760
you're doing you know

831
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,399
right and you know you get stories like

832
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,399
that in other places like the dulce

833
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:26,639
bass and have you heard of any other

834
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:28,079
locations where this type of thing

835
00:34:34,230 --> 00:34:31,200
happens or maybe area 51

836
00:34:36,950 --> 00:34:34,240
well tampa you know

837
00:34:39,510 --> 00:34:36,960
telepod test range something that a lot

838
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:39,520
of people don't know about

839
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,000
you know i that's actually you know they

840
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:45,040
say that they did the f-117 it

841
00:34:51,030 --> 00:34:48,240
and all these other aircraft

842
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:51,040
area 51 but they actually stored them

843
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:52,720
and flew them out of

844
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,480
out of toronto donald trump

845
00:35:00,230 --> 00:34:58,160
what the government started doing back

846
00:35:03,430 --> 00:35:00,240
in the old days when

847
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:03,440
a couple of contracts i'd worked on

848
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,880
they started privatizing everything so

849
00:35:13,750 --> 00:35:08,880
you couldn't get any information on any

850
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:16,550
most recent contract i worked on was a

851
00:35:24,150 --> 00:35:20,000
contract that used to be a pentagon

852
00:35:27,270 --> 00:35:24,160
operation but they privatized it

853
00:35:29,829 --> 00:35:27,280
and was oit office of information and

854
00:35:33,030 --> 00:35:29,839
technology

855
00:35:36,550 --> 00:35:33,040
privatize it because

856
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,560
you're you're not susceptible to a foia

857
00:35:41,950 --> 00:35:37,839
act

858
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:41,960
so a lot most of the military and

859
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:44,960
military-industrial is all

860
00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:48,560
privatized under that because then

861
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:50,720
you've got a private citizen or anyone

862
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:52,079
else can't

863
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,400
submit a foia request and getting

864
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:56,640
information on any projects or

865
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,760
any ongoing technology that they're

866
00:36:05,190 --> 00:36:01,280
working on

867
00:36:09,510 --> 00:36:08,470
the tone of pop test ring test space is

868
00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:09,520
shown by

869
00:36:27,510 --> 00:36:22,870
i've actually been arrested out there a

870
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:27,520
couple of times

871
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:33,910
late 70s early 80s worked on a project

872
00:36:37,589 --> 00:36:34,400
doing

873
00:36:41,270 --> 00:36:37,599
fiber optics before anybody knew what

874
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:41,280
fiber optics was it was

875
00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:44,880
funded by lockheed and government and

876
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:49,440
based out of las vegas it was called edt

877
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:52,839
yes i devolved that now electronic data

878
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:54,240
technologies

879
00:36:59,510 --> 00:36:57,680
and they were experimenting with all the

880
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:59,520
kinds of fiber optics and one of the

881
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:01,440
things that we did was we did a

882
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,520
test situation to test the

883
00:37:10,310 --> 00:37:07,599
communications and we did one in a

884
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:10,320
casino and donald pond one in casino and

885
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:12,320
window

886
00:37:15,349 --> 00:37:14,240
where we ran all fiber optics through

887
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:15,359
the casino

888
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:19,040
and uh this was early 80s

889
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,359
cool and tied some systems together to

890
00:37:26,710 --> 00:37:24,640
monitor

891
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,720
what play was the beginning of the

892
00:37:31,270 --> 00:37:28,480
players clubs that you see in

893
00:37:31,750 --> 00:37:31,280
casinos right now yeah those were the

894
00:37:37,349 --> 00:37:31,760
two

895
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:37,359
technology and they didn't calm player

896
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:40,720
clubs back then we just used it to

897
00:37:50,069 --> 00:37:48,630
and the engineers would come in off of

898
00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:50,079
the uh

899
00:37:54,230 --> 00:37:52,400
when i was doing the white casino and

900
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:54,240
telephone

901
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,000
the engineers would come in off the

902
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,440
base at night and stay at the casino we

903
00:38:04,630 --> 00:38:03,280
were working on

904
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,640
and they would tell us hey if you want

905
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,119
to see some strange things go on

906
00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:09,359
you go up to this part on the highway

907
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:10,400
you'll see some

908
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,960
poles going out there's some rocks

909
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,280
stacked up take the dirt road

910
00:38:19,430 --> 00:38:17,680
go out until you can till you come to a

911
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,440
certain spot that's high up in the air

912
00:38:24,870 --> 00:38:21,839
and you can overlook the range and

913
00:38:27,750 --> 00:38:24,880
watch what's going on

914
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:27,760
so one of the guys i was working with

915
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:31,119
decided we would go out there one night

916
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:33,280
we were out there sitting on the

917
00:38:38,150 --> 00:38:34,720
tailgate of uh

918
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,160
my el camino that we had at the time

919
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:40,800
and uh we were sitting there having a

920
00:38:45,750 --> 00:38:42,480
couple of beers and watching

921
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:45,760
pretty soon the fireworks started lights

922
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:46,720
come

923
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,839
roaring up off the desert floor and

924
00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:53,760
we weren't on the next thing you know we

925
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,040
got two guys telling us

926
00:38:58,550 --> 00:38:57,440
get on the ground hands on our head on

927
00:39:01,829 --> 00:38:58,560
the ground and

928
00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:01,839
they've got it and m16s pointed at us

929
00:39:15,430 --> 00:39:11,750
and uh i spent uh four days in

930
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:18,550
basically a prison cell

931
00:39:24,470 --> 00:39:22,000
and my partner was intelligence for the

932
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,870
they took him to a different location i

933
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:28,320
didn't find out what happened to him

934
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:30,000
until a couple months later and they

935
00:39:36,069 --> 00:39:32,880
just grilled him and let him go

936
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:36,079
made him signs fine um

937
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:38,960
see you know good paperwork saying that

938
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:42,079
you didn't see anything he wasn't there

939
00:39:49,109 --> 00:39:45,760
i had to do the same but

940
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:51,990
and then when i came back they moved my

941
00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:52,400
car

942
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:56,079
to the hotel and i had the sheriff

943
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:57,599
waiting for me and he

944
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,720
escorted me out of town i called

945
00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:02,560
called the company i said okay what's

946
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:04,079
going on and they said well you're off

947
00:40:08,309 --> 00:40:05,760
the job

948
00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:08,319
we're trans we're gonna put you

949
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,160
someplace else

950
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,160
obviously you saw something you weren't

951
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,230
and that was a pretty strange experience

952
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,760
that

953
00:40:26,470 --> 00:40:24,720
i had they went and packed all my bags

954
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:26,480
everything i had to pull

955
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,880
just went into my room with two escorts

956
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,560
pulled everything out put it in my car

957
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:34,079
the sheriff followed me out of town to

958
00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:38,079
make sure that i was outside of toronto

959
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,829
so that's how they do things and then

960
00:40:48,309 --> 00:40:45,760
you sign a

961
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:48,319
you sign your oath that you didn't see

962
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,280
anything didn't do anything

963
00:40:55,109 --> 00:40:53,280
um don't know anything about what's

964
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:55,119
going on and if you ever tell anybody

965
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:55,520
that

966
00:41:03,030 --> 00:40:59,599
you'll do 20 20 years in prison you know

967
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:03,040
jeez you know

968
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,839
yeah i i recently drove from vegas up to

969
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,960
lake tahoe

970
00:41:10,150 --> 00:41:08,720
and i'll tell you what you kind of drive

971
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:10,160
through a lot of that territory that

972
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:11,599
you're talking about

973
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,640
and you really drive right past it on

974
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:15,760
95.

975
00:41:22,309 --> 00:41:19,200
yeah it's i you can't i mean

976
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:22,319
the size of it is impossible to even

977
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,280
describe

978
00:41:28,150 --> 00:41:25,200
and i mean you have all kinds of like

979
00:41:29,910 --> 00:41:28,160
you said private contractors nav c

980
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:29,920
uh you see all the contractors really

981
00:41:35,510 --> 00:41:32,720
cool stuff along the road

982
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:35,520
and you get to it's just amazing to see

983
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:36,400
all

984
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:40,079
fascinating

985
00:41:46,150 --> 00:41:42,720
yeah well there's a you know there's a

986
00:41:49,910 --> 00:41:46,160
corridor that runs from edwards

987
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:49,920
down the fire area 51 and up through to

988
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:53,359
uttr dugway

989
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,119
so and it's it's you know there's no

990
00:42:02,230 --> 00:41:59,200
population there

991
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,240
you know these guys can fly out of skunk

992
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:04,400
works or edwards or

993
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:08,880
41 one of those and

994
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:13,119
just go on a flight go straight up to

995
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,440
uttr which is the largest test range

996
00:42:23,829 --> 00:42:20,480
you know they just expanded another 235

997
00:42:27,430 --> 00:42:23,839
000 acres out there to

998
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:27,440
expand their supersonic

999
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,510
and so i that goes on all the time

1000
00:42:42,230 --> 00:42:40,560
you know and most of the time the only

1001
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:42,240
people that see it are the ranchers that

1002
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:43,760
are out there in the middle of nowhere

1003
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,480
and those

1004
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,200
they don't care you know they're not

1005
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,720
gonna

1006
00:42:52,390 --> 00:42:50,480
they just see it and just figure well

1007
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:52,400
what the heck

1008
00:42:57,910 --> 00:42:55,920
right i mean it doesn't bother them

1009
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:57,920
no it doesn't bother them you know the

1010
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:58,960
only people that

1011
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,000
i've discovered

1012
00:43:06,550 --> 00:43:04,480
and just recently just getting into the

1013
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:06,560
this ufo thing

1014
00:43:11,510 --> 00:43:09,440
community and paranormal normal

1015
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:11,520
community

1016
00:43:15,190 --> 00:43:14,240
uh they're the only people that really

1017
00:43:17,270 --> 00:43:15,200
care about what's

1018
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:17,280
what they see or want to say anything

1019
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:19,760
about it everybody else just

1020
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:22,960
sees things and you know it just

1021
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,000
goes by them

1022
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:28,079
so that's why you know i i think that's

1023
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:29,119
why you don't

1024
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,680
care a lot about what really goes on in

1025
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,280
a lot of different parts of the country

1026
00:43:39,589 --> 00:43:37,349
and i think there's a good point if

1027
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:39,599
there's less residents you can get a lot

1028
00:43:45,349 --> 00:43:41,760
you can get a lot more done

1029
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:45,359
yeah and well most of the time people

1030
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:46,480
don't even

1031
00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,440
they aren't even aware that what's going

1032
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:51,119
on above them you know

1033
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:53,520
you're there in their houses and doing

1034
00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:55,040
whatever and

1035
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:57,520
you've only got you've got highway 93

1036
00:44:03,270 --> 00:43:59,680
highway 95

1037
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:03,280
and a couple of smaller roads where the

1038
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:06,000
local people take you know when they're

1039
00:44:11,670 --> 00:44:07,520
traveling around

1040
00:44:15,670 --> 00:44:11,680
up north of austin eureka those areas

1041
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:15,680
and so if you're up north of those

1042
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:19,440
on highway 50 and in that corridor

1043
00:44:24,150 --> 00:44:22,160
you know you might a plane could fly

1044
00:44:27,670 --> 00:44:24,160
over you at 50 feet and you probably

1045
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,750
exactly it's just the way the landscape

1046
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,079
is set up it's really hard to see things

1047
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,400
and you know you hear a lot of stories

1048
00:44:38,710 --> 00:44:36,720
about area 51 projects and i was

1049
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,720
fascinated by the fiber optic project

1050
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,400
you mentioned did you ever come across

1051
00:44:43,829 --> 00:44:42,319
or hear about anything about 5g or do

1052
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:43,839
you have any opinions of that that's

1053
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:46,720
that's a tough one well my friend just

1054
00:44:51,910 --> 00:44:48,480
died from it so

1055
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:51,920
him and 30 people that he worked with

1056
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:01,910
i think that's my opinion

1057
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:04,470
i you know it's up in the same range as

1058
00:45:08,870 --> 00:45:05,680
microwave oven

1059
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,880
you know in fact it's a little higher

1060
00:45:12,950 --> 00:45:11,040
so if you're very close to it or close

1061
00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:12,960
to a tower you know over time you're

1062
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:13,680
gonna

1063
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:21,430
my friend dan that he's a fellow

1064
00:45:27,750 --> 00:45:24,640
electronics guy engineer

1065
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,760
we've known we knew each other for 50

1066
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,000
years

1067
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:31,920
before he passed away worked on a

1068
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:33,599
project

1069
00:45:40,710 --> 00:45:37,119
with a government contract working on 5g

1070
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:40,720
technology and every one of them

1071
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,319
developed a rare form of bone and blood

1072
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,079
cancer and they all died within two

1073
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:48,319
months of each other

1074
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,069
so that pretty much tells you what i

1075
00:46:00,550 --> 00:45:56,160
think about rng

1076
00:46:03,270 --> 00:46:00,560
doesn't sound like a coincidence and um

1077
00:46:05,190 --> 00:46:03,280
they were doing military grade which was

1078
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,200
a little higher power than what your our

1079
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:07,280
cell phones are but

1080
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:10,319
still if you've got i think if you've

1081
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,280
got a 5g cell phone

1082
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:15,280
next to you you know on your best friend

1083
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:18,400
at night it's going to be radiating that

1084
00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:21,520
that same radiation and then same

1085
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,040
frequencies and over time i think it's

1086
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,000
i think that you know you're going to

1087
00:46:32,069 --> 00:46:29,920
you're gonna

1088
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:32,079
suffer from it yeah you know i've

1089
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,680
started just keep in mind in the next

1090
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:34,960
room over just

1091
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:37,599
i figure it won't hurt any you know and

1092
00:46:43,750 --> 00:46:40,560
i don't know if it helps or not

1093
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:43,760
well i still use an old old phone

1094
00:46:47,670 --> 00:46:46,800
without gps and everything else i refuse

1095
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,680
to

1096
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:49,760
get one of the newer phones anyway but

1097
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,119
um smart man

1098
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:56,240
um i'm just as

1099
00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,000
you know i'm kind of a private person i

1100
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:02,400
only just decided to do this right now

1101
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:04,720
because uh

1102
00:47:08,790 --> 00:47:06,800
at my age what the heck you know if

1103
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:08,800
they'd come after me

1104
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,520
for some reason or whatever then so be

1105
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,079
it you know

1106
00:47:18,150 --> 00:47:16,400
right and it seems like you've had a lot

1107
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,160
of i mean government contracts are the

1108
00:47:20,790 --> 00:47:19,599
way to go and i've

1109
00:47:22,790 --> 00:47:20,800
talked to other people that have worked

1110
00:47:25,270 --> 00:47:22,800
with them it's a great career

1111
00:47:26,470 --> 00:47:25,280
um what are your thoughts of some of

1112
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:26,480
these new

1113
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,319
kind of they're not government but

1114
00:47:32,230 --> 00:47:29,680
they're somewhat private

1115
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,240
organizations like ttsa and stuff what

1116
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:33,680
is up with those are they

1117
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:35,200
are they trying to do the right thing or

1118
00:47:41,109 --> 00:47:38,000
are they just information tubes

1119
00:47:44,069 --> 00:47:41,119
well you know they get funding from

1120
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:44,079
military or cia or wherever they get

1121
00:47:49,270 --> 00:47:45,920
their funding from depending on

1122
00:47:52,390 --> 00:47:49,280
darpa depending on what

1123
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,400
what technology they're working on

1124
00:47:57,030 --> 00:47:54,640
and the way the government's done it

1125
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:57,040
ever since i was involved in the 70s and

1126
00:48:01,470 --> 00:47:58,079
the way they

1127
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,480
started doing things everything's come

1128
00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:04,800
compartmentalized and

1129
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:06,960
so all these little companies can work

1130
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,240
on one part

1131
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:10,240
of a certain technology and think that

1132
00:48:14,069 --> 00:48:11,760
that's the

1133
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:14,079
they're working on a technology that's

1134
00:48:23,670 --> 00:48:22,230
it's just a standalone technology when

1135
00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:23,680
in fact it's uh

1136
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:26,720
part of another system interesting

1137
00:48:35,910 --> 00:48:32,870
you know and then they'll take it what

1138
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:35,920
the smaller companies develop and what

1139
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,520
they build and what they

1140
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,800
protect they'll bring that all together

1141
00:48:44,870 --> 00:48:41,680
and then that

1142
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:44,880
goes into a larger system it's just like

1143
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:45,599
a

1144
00:49:03,589 --> 00:48:59,599
different system

1145
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:03,599
within that within that

1146
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:07,359
airframe and thinking that they're doing

1147
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:10,000
it to develop robotics or something else

1148
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:11,359
but and then

1149
00:49:15,670 --> 00:49:13,200
when they turn it over to the government

1150
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:15,680
the government will take it

1151
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:19,440
they might elaborate on it they might

1152
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,079
make some changes and incorporate it in

1153
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:24,240
into a larger

1154
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:29,280
uh larger platform genius

1155
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,200
yeah so the people that are actually

1156
00:49:35,589 --> 00:49:32,800
building all of these things and

1157
00:49:37,190 --> 00:49:35,599
and these smaller companies and that you

1158
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,200
know

1159
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:38,960
they think they're just working on a

1160
00:49:43,750 --> 00:49:42,160
standalone technology but in fact

1161
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,760
when it comes to the bigger picture

1162
00:49:48,549 --> 00:49:46,319
they're just working on a small

1163
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:48,559
component that's going to be

1164
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,910
larger system

1165
00:50:00,549 --> 00:49:57,829
such a great way to do things to not

1166
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:00,559
have people know what's going on

1167
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,400
yeah it is and except our education

1168
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:06,640
system suffers from it because if you

1169
00:50:10,870 --> 00:50:08,720
watch look at the education system the

1170
00:50:14,470 --> 00:50:10,880
past 50 60

1171
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:14,480
70 well since world war ii

1172
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:17,839
um education has been

1173
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,440
set up so that no one person can

1174
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:23,119
actually go in and

1175
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:27,680
get all the knowledge they need to know

1176
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:31,760
to do a particular technology

1177
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:34,640
and it takes me back to uh one of my

1178
00:50:39,910 --> 00:50:36,559
favorite stories

1179
00:50:42,549 --> 00:50:39,920
of all time which was i think was a

1180
00:50:44,230 --> 00:50:42,559
release to let the public know

1181
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:44,240
what was going on in the government and

1182
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:45,920
it was by a guy named raymond f

1183
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,599
jones who was a mormon in salt lake city

1184
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:51,920
and he wrote this

1185
00:50:58,230 --> 00:50:55,040
he worked with the

1186
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,240
state department he was a government

1187
00:51:02,470 --> 00:51:00,720
high level government

1188
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:02,480
and he wrote these stories on the side

1189
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:04,079
and one of the stories he wrote was

1190
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:10,950
noise level is uh it's kind of a long

1191
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:12,559
story but

1192
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:14,720
it's pretty interesting when you realize

1193
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:22,470
and what it's about is

1194
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,319
the pentagon um

1195
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,079
all the heads of the different

1196
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,760
departments and the pentagon

1197
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:32,079
called a meeting with all of these

1198
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,440
scientists

1199
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:35,440
and engineers for all the different

1200
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:37,280
military contractors in the united

1201
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:38,079
states

1202
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,960
called them to the pentagon when they

1203
00:51:46,230 --> 00:51:44,720
got to the pentagon and they all sit

1204
00:51:47,829 --> 00:51:46,240
around this big giant

1205
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,839
conference table and in the center of

1206
00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:49,599
the table was a

1207
00:51:57,190 --> 00:51:53,599
plastic wrap bunch of burnt

1208
00:51:59,349 --> 00:51:57,200
goo and yeah a big mess and a

1209
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:59,359
different thing and one of the chiefs of

1210
00:52:06,230 --> 00:52:01,280
staff stood up and he says

1211
00:52:09,829 --> 00:52:08,069
i'm going to show you a video and it's

1212
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:09,839
going to be very difficult for you to

1213
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:11,920
believe

1214
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:14,880
that this is actually happening but it's

1215
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,200
that

1216
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,480
it's real and we need you to help us

1217
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,480
with this problem

1218
00:52:24,470 --> 00:52:22,319
so it has the egg go over turn off the

1219
00:52:27,750 --> 00:52:24,480
lights they turn on the

1220
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:27,760
movie projector and there's a kids fan

1221
00:52:31,829 --> 00:52:29,359
in there with a pack on the

1222
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:31,839
front body pack on the back and a button

1223
00:52:37,589 --> 00:52:34,000
in his hand and

1224
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:37,599
and um he's standing next to the

1225
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,280
chief of staff and

1226
00:52:45,030 --> 00:52:43,359
chief of staff nods to him they're on an

1227
00:52:46,950 --> 00:52:45,040
air force base

1228
00:52:48,950 --> 00:52:46,960
kid pushes a button adjust something in

1229
00:52:51,829 --> 00:52:48,960
his belt he floats up 30 feet off the

1230
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:51,839
ground and just hovers

1231
00:52:57,109 --> 00:52:55,040
then he flies around

1232
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,119
doing different maneuvers up and down

1233
00:53:02,069 --> 00:52:59,119
and back and forth and

1234
00:53:03,030 --> 00:53:02,079
and all this stuff and then goes into a

1235
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,040
high-speed

1236
00:53:08,470 --> 00:53:06,720
race around the tarmac

1237
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,480
and then all of a sudden a big pup of

1238
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:10,000
smoke in the backpack

1239
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,400
kid crashes to the ground and kills him

1240
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:16,400
and they turn off the movie and the

1241
00:53:21,750 --> 00:53:18,000
chief of staff tells the

1242
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,670
you know gentlemen this kid discovered

1243
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:26,000
anti-gravity

1244
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:27,599
we don't know how he did it we know

1245
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:30,400
nothing about this kid

1246
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,119
but we need you since he did it you know

1247
00:53:37,349 --> 00:53:35,280
you should be able to do it too and all

1248
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:37,359
scientists stood up and these professors

1249
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:38,720
from universities

1250
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:41,440
and well the laws of physics says that's

1251
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,079
impossible

1252
00:53:47,589 --> 00:53:45,839
we can't do that and to shorten the

1253
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:47,599
story

1254
00:53:52,309 --> 00:53:50,720
um they gave the pentagon gave these

1255
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:52,319
guys six months to come up with a

1256
00:53:59,030 --> 00:53:54,559
solution to the problem

1257
00:54:00,630 --> 00:53:59,040
jeez and so all these guys go back to

1258
00:54:02,790 --> 00:54:00,640
lockheed northrop grumman

1259
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:02,800
back to the universities and different

1260
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:04,480
places that they

1261
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:07,599
work and they keep collaborating on all

1262
00:54:11,910 --> 00:54:08,800
of this and

1263
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:11,920
i'm gonna make it a short story but

1264
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,599
um after six months time

1265
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,520
i'm leaving out a lot of details but

1266
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,760
after six months time

1267
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,200
the general is calling back to the

1268
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:23,680
pentagon well gentlemen of you

1269
00:54:26,950 --> 00:54:26,160
had any success and one of the

1270
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:26,960
spokespers

1271
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:30,720
everybody stood up and said well

1272
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:37,109
he says he didn't say well what's a good

1273
00:54:41,990 --> 00:54:39,359
news we only crack the code and we've

1274
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,000
developed anti-gravity

1275
00:54:46,069 --> 00:54:43,920
well what's the bad news well the bad

1276
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:46,079
news is it's 30 feet in diameter and

1277
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:48,160
weighs 15 times

1278
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,319
but it works

1279
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:54,400
so the one of the generals stand up and

1280
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,319
he says well gentlemen we have something

1281
00:54:59,750 --> 00:54:58,240
to show you and it goes over to the side

1282
00:55:01,750 --> 00:54:59,760
door opens the door

1283
00:55:03,109 --> 00:55:01,760
and out comes the kid that was killed in

1284
00:55:08,309 --> 00:55:03,119
the

1285
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,319
months earlier

1286
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,559
everybody gasped they'd go well we saw

1287
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:13,440
him die and well gentlemen that was all

1288
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,559
hollywood magic we had the film made

1289
00:55:20,230 --> 00:55:18,240
and the only way we could convince you

1290
00:55:23,430 --> 00:55:20,240
to go develop this new technology

1291
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:23,440
was to remove the noise placed in your

1292
00:55:31,910 --> 00:55:30,390
the way you were educated in the way you

1293
00:55:34,069 --> 00:55:31,920
grew up

1294
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:34,079
and the only way we would ever take that

1295
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:35,920
out of your mind was

1296
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:39,440
to make you believe that it was possible

1297
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:47,829
amazing yeah i'm

1298
00:55:52,230 --> 00:55:50,640
so you know it's like albert einstein

1299
00:55:55,349 --> 00:55:52,240
quoted you know

1300
00:55:57,510 --> 00:55:55,359
if you judge a fish's ability a

1301
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,520
charge of fish by its ability to climb a

1302
00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,720
tree

1303
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,240
it'll go through the rest of the flight

1304
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,799
believing it's stupid

1305
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:04,480
because he was putting down our

1306
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:06,960
education system said the

1307
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,160
education system really didn't educate

1308
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,480
people it just conditioned them and

1309
00:56:17,270 --> 00:56:15,200
indoctrinated them into believing

1310
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,280
something different

1311
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:23,349
and i'm a firm believer of that

1312
00:56:29,349 --> 00:56:26,400
having experienced it throughout my life

1313
00:56:30,630 --> 00:56:29,359
because working on some of the projects

1314
00:56:32,150 --> 00:56:30,640
i've worked on and some of the

1315
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:32,160
technology i've developed

1316
00:56:41,430 --> 00:56:37,040
for well i've worked with casinos for

1317
00:56:43,510 --> 00:56:41,440
30 years developing technology

1318
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,520
you know computer systems different

1319
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,520
things like that and

1320
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,680
you get these kids out of school they

1321
00:56:49,990 --> 00:56:49,599
want to argue where you try to tell them

1322
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:50,000
here's

1323
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:52,160
how we're going to do this system

1324
00:56:55,430 --> 00:56:53,839
they'll argue with you all day long but

1325
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:55,440
oh that's not right

1326
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,079
that's not what i was taught in school

1327
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:02,870
they were taught that there's only one

1328
00:57:10,150 --> 00:57:06,400
way to do things and that's it

1329
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:10,160
anything outside of that is not possible

1330
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:19,510
it's hard to think out of the box it is

1331
00:57:24,789 --> 00:57:22,559
and well if you think about it most of

1332
00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:24,799
the inventors

1333
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:26,960
throughout history none of them were

1334
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:27,920
educated

1335
00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:33,750
the traditional education system you

1336
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:41,109
very pre-thinkers that had an idea or

1337
00:57:47,030 --> 00:57:44,559
got it from and

1338
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:47,040
you know just thought it up or it was

1339
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:48,559
injected into them by an

1340
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,480
outside source and they stuck with it

1341
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,520
developed the technology and well like

1342
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:58,160
nikola tesla for example

1343
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:00,240
he was educated but everything that he

1344
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:02,559
came up with he always claimed that

1345
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:06,640
he got it from from

1346
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:10,079
aliens or from other sources you know it

1347
00:58:14,870 --> 00:58:11,520
just came to him

1348
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:14,880
while he was asleep and um

1349
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,359
the ideas that he came up with and uh

1350
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,200
we're getting up on a tangent but it's

1351
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:22,799
so true though yeah they're free

1352
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,549
yeah so that's my take on all that but

1353
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,799
in getting back to 5g i just think it's

1354
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:36,640
a really bad idea and i think it's

1355
00:58:42,069 --> 00:58:37,520
pre-planned

1356
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,079
uh same way college was

1357
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:43,760
oh man and i wish we had more time to

1358
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,280
talk about that one because

1359
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:47,760
now i mean gosh now that it seems to be

1360
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:48,960
over

1361
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:51,920
we got these fouchy emails and the mask

1362
00:58:58,230 --> 00:58:54,640
thing is weird it's gosh it's so weird

1363
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:58,240
well not only that it's it's

1364
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:02,079
it's the uh immunization you know

1365
00:59:08,870 --> 00:59:06,720
i i equate it to 1930s germany

1366
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,880
if you know that history the incurable

1367
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:10,240
illness

1368
00:59:13,990 --> 00:59:13,280
was they could only say it was the

1369
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:14,000
incurable

1370
00:59:17,670 --> 00:59:16,480
illness and they locked down the entire

1371
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:17,680
country they had

1372
00:59:24,230 --> 00:59:20,799
everybody had to get tested

1373
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:24,240
the whole thing behind it was is hitler

1374
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:27,520
and all the people in the nazi party

1375
00:59:30,950 --> 00:59:30,240
that was trying to convert germany to

1376
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:30,960
the

1377
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:50,319
wouldn't go along

1378
00:59:54,069 --> 00:59:52,960
with the program that would be a problem

1379
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:54,079
so they invented the

1380
00:59:59,910 --> 00:59:57,920
incurable illness and then a dr brandt

1381
01:00:01,190 --> 00:59:59,920
was ordered by hitler to go to all of

1382
01:00:04,710 --> 01:00:01,200
the dockers

1383
01:00:06,150 --> 01:00:04,720
and throughout europe with a list

1384
01:00:07,829 --> 01:00:06,160
of all of these people it was

1385
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,839
subversives and all that and they came

1386
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:10,160
up with what was called uh

1387
01:00:13,349 --> 01:00:11,760
i'm gonna get in trouble with this but

1388
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:13,359
what was called the uh

1389
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:18,630
so they would test all of these people

1390
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:21,680
if you were on the list

1391
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,319
you know you immediately were admitted

1392
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:27,680
you know put in the hospital

1393
01:00:31,990 --> 01:00:30,720
and to be cured or to investigate your

1394
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:32,000
illness terrible

1395
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:35,599
illness and what they did to eliminate

1396
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,520
all of their competition or any any

1397
01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:39,359
problems that they would have

1398
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,119
in the future they uh

1399
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,599
administered a mercy death injection to

1400
01:00:49,990 --> 01:00:46,880
all of these people

1401
01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:50,000
hitler killed over 3 3 million people

1402
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:54,079
geez that way long before the jews

1403
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:55,680
and that's a little piece of history

1404
01:01:00,789 --> 01:00:57,599
that people

1405
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,799
really don't know about wow but we've

1406
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,720
seen that what i think what

1407
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,359
my opinion is what we see now is uh

1408
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:07,359
adaptation

1409
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,870
it is scary times and it i just hope

1410
01:01:18,789 --> 01:01:16,400
we're seeing the end of it because

1411
01:01:20,309 --> 01:01:18,799
but then like you said if it i guess

1412
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,319
only time will tell my man

1413
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:22,400
i i don't want to keep you much longer

1414
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,160
terence i appreciate you staying

1415
01:01:27,109 --> 01:01:25,839
talking to you gosh it's been a better

1416
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:27,119
part of a year that i've wanted to talk

1417
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:28,240
to you and i'm glad we're finally

1418
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,280
chatting again

1419
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:31,520
we'll have to we'll have to meet up and

1420
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:32,799
and chat again when we're

1421
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:34,799
nearby yeah we will have to meet up and

1422
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:36,960
you know i still go to the basement

1423
01:01:43,430 --> 01:01:40,720
quite often so that'd be great

1424
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:43,440
i should uh contact you next time i come

1425
01:01:46,470 --> 01:01:44,160
home

1426
01:01:49,190 --> 01:01:46,480
that sounds great my man well take care

1427
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,200
and um i hope i talk to you soon

1428
01:01:53,670 --> 01:01:51,839
yes i'm here man i wish i could just

1429
01:01:56,470 --> 01:01:53,680
keep picking terence's

1430
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:56,480
brain because holy cow does he have a

1431
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,839
lot of information

1432
01:02:01,589 --> 01:01:59,359
and they don't come any cooler than

1433
01:02:05,029 --> 01:02:01,599
terence he is a great guy

1434
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:05,039
honest and he's worked on a lot of

1435
01:02:11,029 --> 01:02:08,160
interesting things and uh it's a

1436
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:11,039
pleasure every time i talk to him

1437
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:13,599
thanks for listening in and uh

1438
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:16,319
definitely check out heroparanormal.com

1439
01:02:20,150 --> 01:02:19,520
check out hero paranormal on patreon and

1440
01:02:22,510 --> 01:02:20,160
hit that

1441
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,520
patreon if you want or hit if you go to

1442
01:02:25,349 --> 01:02:23,680
heroparanormal.com

1443
01:02:27,750 --> 01:02:25,359
just hit that donate button you can

1444
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:27,760
cancel at any time we appreciate it and

1445
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:28,640
until next time

1446
01:02:32,549 --> 01:02:30,960
keep your eyes to the skies feet on the

1447
01:02:42,460 --> 01:02:32,559
ground but don't forget

1448
01:02:42,470 --> 01:03:01,190
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